The following interview of Warhol star Baby Jane Holzer (by Anita Pallenberg) appeared in the Fall 2002 issue of Cheapdate magazine (Issue No. 5):
| Jane: | Anita, how do you stay so skinny? I have such a problem with staying skinny. |
| Anita: | I don't know. I think my mum was very skinny. |
| Jane: | So was mine! |
| Anita: | It could be that I ride a bicycle everywhere around London. Everyone is so |
| polite here. I would be terrified to do it in New York. How did you get the name | |
| Baby Jane? | |
| Jane: | There was this columnist called Carol Bjorkman who wrote for Women's Wear |
| Daily, and she coined the phrase after the movie, which nobody had seen. When | |
| I saw the movie I thought oh my God, what have they done to me? It was the | |
| most frightening thing. The name stuck, which is a drag. | |
| Anita: | You've never liked it? |
| Jane: | No, Jane is better. But what are you gonna do? You can't change history. |
| Anita: | Shall we talk a little bit about those days? You must have been one of the |
| first people that I met in New York. | |
| Jane: | It was with Allan. Do you remember when I asked you if you remembered him? |
| And you said 'vaguely'. That is the funniest answer in the whole wide world. | |
| It's just like the 60's: vagueness. | |
| Anita: | I saw you at Ondine's, in about '65. It was a magic sort of place, on 59th Street, |
| under the bridge. You met Brian Jones as well. | |
| Jane: | Were you dating Brian? |
| Anita: | Yeah, I was going out with him. |
| Jane: | And then you switched to Keith? |
| Anita: | Yep. Horrible isn't it? We had a tumultuous relationship, and then Brian actually |
| got a bit sick, taking acid and stuff. | |
| Jane: | How long were you together? |
| Anita: | Until about 1967. Then he turned into a kind of schizo. He got agressive and |
| abusive. | |
| Jane: | When did he die? |
| Anita: | 1969. Would you call yourself a survivor? |
| Jane: | Definitely. We're both survivors. |
| Anita: | But the word 'survivor' makes us sound like we're been to boot camp, as if we |
| were barely getting by. Do you see it like that? | |
| Jane: | Yes and no. No and Yes. |
| Anita: | I don't want to be thought of as a survivor. I'm living a good life. I've heard that |
| you have a great art collection. What are your favorite pieces? | |
| Jane: | Warhol. I'm mad on Warhol. Also Keith Haring, Jean Michele Basquiat, |
| Nan Goldin. | |
| Anita: | What are your thoughts about Warhol? |
| Jane: | He was a master. He was a religious person: very catholic, very spiritual, |
| loving and giving. He was afraid to give anyone money in case they would | |
| take drugs, but he ran a tab at Max's Kansas City, so people could eat. | |
| Anita: | I spent more time upstairs in the painted bathrooms! |
| Jane: | Well, I was downstairs chomping away on chickpeas. That's the difference, |
| right? | |
| Anita: | Do you remember Edie Sedgwick? I remember her being very sad. |
| Jane: | She wasn't so sad. She was just stoned all the time. |
| Anita: | But never happy stoned. Maybe it was her makeup that made her look sad. |
| So what do you remember about doing those films with Warhol? | |
| Jane: | We'd always be waiting for Edie. We would all be straight and uptight by the |
| time she arrived, and she would be so loose, so beautiful, so perfect. Everythin | |
| she did was perfect. She was amazing. AMAZING! I wish she were still here. | |
| Anita: | I remember going to visit Andy at the Factory, when I had just had Marlon, |
| and he was so sweet to him. He took him to this room packed with toys, and | |
| said he could have any toy he wanted. Marlon was blown away. | |
| Jane: | Andy loved children. |
| Anita: | It's great now. All the kids are friends, and all the mothers and daughters |
| hang out together. It gives you a sense of continuity. I like feeling a part of | |
| it too, especially with the grandchildren. That makes me feel almost immortal. | |
| Do you ever feel like that? | |
| Jane: | Not really, dammit! |
| Anita: | There was a moment where I thought, this is it. I'm immortal. |
| Jane: | The funniest thing is what people say about Keith: 'Cheating death for, what is |
| it, thirty or forty years?' He's funny right? | |
| Anita: | He is funny, very sharp. Witty by day, must say. Do you feel differently now? |
| Compared to the old days? | |
| Jane: | Yeah, I feel older dammit. Well, I don't really feel older, but I know I am older. |
| Anita: | Sometimes when I glance in a mirror, I still see the same person I had inside |
| me thirty years ago. But when I go in to the bathroom and look at myself | |
| with all the lights on, I think wow, what happened? | |
| Jane: | You look great. |
| Anita: | As a whole, but if you look closer you see the wear and tear. I heard that you |
| keep sheep. How many do you have? | |
| Jane: | I have one black one and one white one. They are so cute. |
| Anita: | What else are you up to? |
| Jane: | Just working away, trying to get my house in the country done. Same old, |
| same old. I feel lucky to be alive and healthy; doing a days work; feeling like | |
| I have accomplished something. | |
| Anita: | Are you married now? |
| Jane: | No, I work too hard. I don't have the time. Men of our generation need a lot |
| of attention, unlike the younger ones. The younger ones are very good about | |
| giving. | |
| Anita: | Yeah, its true. I went to see a psychic in London, who told me I should look |
| for a Tibetan or an Indian. | |
| Jane: | I don't think so. Darling, you're rock n' roll aristocracy. |